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Voice in the Wilderness's avatar

How is it a myth? Is it a trope if it is true?

“Then the chief priests and the elders of the people gathered in the palace of the high priest, whose name was Caiaphas, and plotted together in order to arrest Jesus by stealth and kill him. But they said, “Not during the feast, lest there be an uproar among the people.””

‭‭Matthew‬ ‭26‬:‭3‬-‭5‬ ‭ESV‬‬

https://bible.com/bible/59/mat.26.3-5

Daniel Mael's avatar

Matthew 26:3–5 records a private discussion among certain priests and elders, but it does not describe an act of killing, nor does it claim that these figures carried out an execution. At most, it shows hostility and a plan to arrest Jesus “by stealth.” Arrest and execution are not the same thing, and the passage itself makes clear that the leaders were constrained — they feared a public uproar and therefore sought to avoid acting openly. Nothing here demonstrates that Jews, individually or collectively, killed Jesus.

Historically, the power to execute by crucifixion belonged solely to the Roman authorities. The Gospels consistently show that Pontius Pilate, the Roman governor, was the one who sentenced Jesus to death and that Roman soldiers carried out the crucifixion. The Jewish leaders described in Matthew lacked the legal capacity to do so under Roman rule. Even if they opposed Jesus, the machinery of the state that condemned and executed him was entirely Roman.

Voice in the Wilderness's avatar

The scene Tucker described and the scene depicted in Matthew 26:3-5 are nearly identical. The Jews were absolutely the inciters of Jesus crucifixion at the hands of the Romans.

Matthew 27

20 But the chief priests and the elders persuaded the crowd to ask for Barabbas and to have Jesus executed.

21 “Which of the two do you want me to release to you?” asked the governor.

“Barabbas,” they answered.

22 “What shall I do, then, with Jesus who is called the Messiah?” Pilate asked.

They all answered, “Crucify him!”

23 “Why? What crime has he committed?” asked Pilate.

But they shouted all the louder, “Crucify him!”

24 When Pilate saw that he was getting nowhere, but that instead an uproar was starting, he took water and washed his hands in front of the crowd. “I am innocent of this man’s blood,” he said. “It is your responsibility!”

25 All the people answered, “His blood is on us and on our children!”

This is not a trope, this is the gospel truth quite literally. In v25...who do you imagine "All the people" to be?

Daniel Mael's avatar

Quoting Matthew 27 as if it proves “the Jews” killed Jesus is a distortion, and scholars who are experts on the New Testament say so. The Gospel was written decades after the crucifixion, shaped by the disputes of Matthew’s own community, not as a courtroom transcript. When it says “all the people,” it cannot mean every Jew in Jerusalem, much less Jews across history. Experts explain that this line is a rhetorical flourish, unique to Matthew, meant to dramatize conflict with the Temple elite. Treating it as a literal, blanket indictment is bad history and worse theology.

The consensus of historians is equally clear: Jesus was executed by Rome. Crucifixion was a Roman punishment, carried out by Roman soldiers, under the order of a Roman governor. The priests may have schemed, the crowd may have been stirred, but no Jewish authority had the power to crucify anyone. To blame Jews for an execution carried out by the empire is like blaming the victim’s neighbors for a verdict handed down by Caesar’s court — a fundamental misreading of the evidence.

Scholars also stress the destructive history of misusing Matthew 27:25. This single verse was weaponized for centuries to justify pogroms, expulsions, and massacres. Modern biblical scholarship and even the Catholic Church in Nostra Aetate have formally rejected the idea of collective Jewish guilt. To keep repeating that “the Jews killed Jesus” is not “gospel truth” — it is recycling an antisemitic trope that experts, theologians, and historians alike have shown to be false.

E.E. Negron אמרלד's avatar

It never ceases to amaze me how Christians (and I identify as a Roman Catholic one) continue to spew the Jews killed Jesus nonsense.

Your points are all valid a proper reading of the Christian scriptures. There were twelve who followed him (all Jews) and hundreds, if not thousands, who heard his voice and listened.

That the Sanhedrin was in collusion and wanted to silence him is what it is. No G-d fearing Jew in the first century wanted Jesus dead. Including members of the Sanhedrin.

The Jews didn’t kill Jesus.

And another thing that occurs to me: He came to give his life (literally). So death was a necessary factor. Why all the brouhaha that he was executed by Rome? He was supposed to die.

I am impressed by your capacity to make your points.

And for the record: Tucker is a jackass and his ideas are horrific and quite unchristian. So there is that.

Am Israel Chai.

Voice in the Wilderness's avatar

I didn't even realize this was controversial.

v24 makes it so clear...the crowd, who are the citizens of Jerusalem, are feverishly demanding of Pilate that Christ be crucified. So much so that Pilate says he washes his hands of the matter and lays the blame on the crowd/mob. If you feel more comfortable calling these people "the people of Jerusalem" instead of "the Jews" that's fine I guess.

I don't know about "collective guilt" being assigned to all of world Jewry. It's probably not unlike saying, "white Americans enslaved black Americans". Not all whites...and not all blacks, of course...but at its simplest, most basic level it is a true statement. Does it mean that today all American whites are somehow guilty of slavery? I don't think so, do you?

HP's avatar

Oh stop with the long fucking replies. You like to use the NT as an excuse to condone the murder of Jews. So on the eve of our New Year, may your upcoming year be filled with illness, poverty, and misery. Fuck you.

Ruth Vanita's avatar

And who do you think was the multitude the plotters were afraid of? Alaskans? Jesus was a Jew and all his apostles were Jews. Except for a couple of Romans, all of his followers were Jews. Crucifixion was a form of execution routinely employed by Romans and never by Jews. But by all means, use this as the medieval Europeans did, to persecute Jews. Nothing new or surprising about that.

Ruth Vanita's avatar

The comments you are getting here from Jew-hating Carlson supporters are enough evidence of the truth of your argument. Jew hatred was dormant for a while in America and is coming out now. I wrote about this a while ago: https://substack.com/home/post/p-166372525

Joan Darcy's avatar

Israel is perpetrating a Human Sacrifice Orgy in Gaza. They're starving babies and murdering children for kicks.

AIPAC/Jew Billionaires have bribed Congress and The White House to the point that America is nothing but an abject colony of a morbid genocidal Pariah/Terrorist Jewish State that's hellbent to Conquer The World and start a Nuclear Armageddon.

Creepy, powerfully connected Israel errand boys/girls a la Mark Levin, Ben Shapiro, Bari Weiss, Dershowitz chortle on TV over this zionization of Anerican Democracy and brag about all the pregnant women Israeli bombs are burying under the rubble. Reminding all American Christians just what CHRIST KILLERS are all about.

Wanted War Criminal Bibi Netanyahu appears on American TV 19 times in.3 days to protest he didn't kill Charlie Kirk - the dead giveaway he did and lies about his last exchange with Charlie when he told Bibi to.go fuck himself and the $150 MILLION he offered if Charlie would continue to prattle Israeli.Genocide Propaganda ("No Genocide", "No one's starving in Gaza"). As it was he was the only under 50 goy in America who was doing so.

He couldn't live with himself anymore over having made this deal with the Devil. There are a dozen+ videos that show he had joined fellow conservatives Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens, MTG, Megyn Kelly, and Steve Bannon in getting Off The Zio Rez. And, no way in hell would Bibi & Co., the smarmy Jew moneyman Bill Ackman who had threatened Charlie to "STFU OR ELSE!" allow that to happen so they killed him. And, Everyone Knows It.

THAT'S what Tucker Carlson was "fixated" on. His speech was magnificent and resonated deeply with a vast majority of Americans. The world doesn't revolve around the "feelings" of Jews anymore.

And, Tucker is an American Treasure.

History has repeated itself because the same people did the same bad things.

And, whenever the world turns on the Jews - they do the same exact thing that this smelly, homely, old gormless horndog shtoonk Danny Mael is doing here:

Admit Nothing

Blame Everyone

Spew Bitterness

Mewl Self-Pity

Attribute It To Jealousy, Stupidity, Mental Illness, Or "Obsession".

It Never Works.

Einstein's Definition Of Insanity.

So, draw all the laser red eyes on Truth Telling Patriots and good, modest, unassuming, thoughtful, compassionate Christians that you like. Perch yourself on a high chair and squeal "Anti-Semite!" and "Blood Libel!" until you soil your yoga pants for all the good it'll do you. Flail away. Diddle yourself fantasizing about licking the blood off the corpses of 3 year old Palestinian girls the IDF slaughtered until you plotz.

But, your timebhas run out. If you weren't so ignorant of your people's history - you'd know it.

Two millenia later - these are the

Joan Darcy's avatar

MortiChrist Zionist Jews: "Vay is mere! Cancel Tucker Carlson!

World: "Lol..Squirm Worms!"

The people all the Danny Maels call the "dumb goyim" have wised up.

"Of course we Jews killed Jesus. And, if he ever really does come back - we'll gladly kill him again!"

Sarah Silverman, Jewish Comedienne

"JEOPARDY" Question:

Tropes, Canards & Blood Libels.

Answer: What are 3 kinds of lies only Jews accuse others of telling that invariably turn out to be true?